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Kerem Yuceturk
Microsoft
Oct 27, 2017PowerApps and Flow buttons are graduating out of preview!
PowerApps and Flow are becoming a more integral part of SharePoint Online with the imminent release of Custom Forms with PowerApps and the Flow Launch Panel. Starting in November, these features will...
Pontus T
Nov 02, 2017Iron Contributor
This is all good news, but for organisations that are not yet ready to roll this feature out to end users, there needs to be a way to hide these buttons on tenant or site collection level.
For anyone of the same opinion, please vote up this user voice item to make Microsoft understand the importance allowing their customers to roll out new features in their own pace.
Kerem Yuceturk
Microsoft
Nov 02, 2017Hi Pontus T, we are starting to take big dependencies on Flow and PowerApps: Custom Forms in the PowerApps case, and out of box review/approval flows for lists and libraries on the Flow side. So having these features off is not something we want to encourage to keep the product consistent for our users.
We do appreciate the feedback, and will be watching the discussion under the user voice item to be sure.
- Rob BowmanNov 06, 2017Iron ContributorKerem, based on your statements that PowerApps and Flow are still catching up with meeting all regulatory and security features, dependent or not to the future of SharePoint, the decision to release to a company should be based on the Admins and companies decision, not Microsoft. Some of us are keeping SharePoint on Premise around for just this reason. The decision to "Push" companies keeps our team (a highly regulated Global Financial Firm) continuously explaining situations that we should not have to.
- Kerem YuceturkNov 07, 2017
Microsoft
Thank you all very much for the thoughtful feedback you have provided. I wanted to clarify a few things.
When we first added the PowerApps and Flow buttons to modern lists back in the second half of 2016, these products were still in preview. They have since moved to general availability and completed their certification processes earlier this year to certify that they are in compliance with the standards expected from workloads in Office 365. Microsoft Trust Center has detailed information about the current level of compliance for PowerApps and Flow. We would not be removing them from under the preview features switch if this were not the case. You should not have anything to worry about on the compliance front. We actually have a few customers who have been asking for this change knowing that PowerApps and Flow are now within the compliance boundary. The only exception to this is government cloud and sovereign cloud instances in Germany and China, where the buttons will remain off while PowerApps and Flow work on adding support for these environments.
Features like “Custom forms using PowerApps”, “Flow launch panel” and “Out of box review/approval flow” are set to become major features for SharePoint Online. We hear our customers desire to be able to control each new feature of SharePoint and turn it on or off on your own terms, but the permutations of different features and their interactions with each other makes the maintainability and support of our product prohibitively difficult, and moves us away from viewing SharePoint as a coherent whole, rather than a collection of independent features. So we want to avoid providing a switch for each feature even though this does provide our customers with peace of mind. We are trying to make new features as easy to learn as possible and to provide in box tutorials and guides where it makes sense to help end users succeed, and to also reduce the burden on you for creating comprehensive documentation and training. We acknowledge that we have more work to do here but our designer and UX writers are spending more effort here.
PowerApps and Flow both have admin centers that allow O365 admins to go in and see all of the apps and flows in the tenant, as well as take them over as needed when users leave an organization, or under other circumstances. They also allow you to set policies to prevent mixing SharePoint data with other connectors if you need to do that, and let admins download the list of active users who use these tools in their organizations. We also just announced that activities from Flow are also available in the O365 security and compliance center: https://flow.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/security-and-compliance-center/.
I also wanted to iterate that Flow and PowerApps always run in the context of a user, and they don't allow users to do anything that was beyond their reach previously. Savvy users today can use other third party automation solutions, or create code that will do the things that Flow and PowerApps can help them do without the data controls that Flow and PowerApps allow. It's true that under the trial licenses users can try out different features of Flow and PowerApps such as creating their own environments, but they would not be able to access other environments (including the default environment) like tenant administrators can, and their environments will expire after the trial period.
The presence of Flow and PowerApps licenses for users is not checked by SharePoint UI. So the buttons will be visible regardless of the state of licenses for a given user.
We want to find a healthy balance between helping you control your data, and providing your end users tools they can use to get work done without having to resort to non-compliant tools. We still think graduating these features out of preview is the correct thing to do here.
Our plan remains to start rolling this change out to First Release tenants by November 13, and then to Production tenants in two waves on November 27, and December 4th.
- Tami ShawNov 16, 2017Brass Contributor
Thanks for your response Kerem Yuceturk. What's the plan on dealing with Global companies that have employee's in Germany and China since we can't turn the license off?
Thanks,
Tami
- Tami ShawNov 03, 2017Brass ContributorIt's not Microsoft's decision to decide what's best for my organization or users. You're vision is one sided with no thought for security concerns, training concerns or other higher value initiatives my company may be pushing that could conflict with your desire of a consistent product.
- Pontus TNov 03, 2017Iron Contributor
Hi Kerem Yuceturk, thank you for your reply. I see your point but it is simply not rational thinking from Microsoft's side. As much as you want to empower users to get started with these great features, trust me that we as admins are of the same opinion, I really cannot see why it would not be in Microsoft's best interest to also allow your customers to roll them out with the best possible results.
Multiple issues occur when end users get access to these tools with no training or applied governance. This just needs planning to remain secure, stable and successful. Just take Craig White's tenant size, and consider all the concerns around data governance when users can hook up their flow to a Twitter connector and send business sensitive data out in cyber space (#confidential). I know this can be controlled but users also needs to be informed and trained. Not to mention the internal support needed to back up the adoption of these tools.
So I simply don't buy it. There are already many features and apps that can be controlled from central admin, which is extremely helpful (and essential) to organisations that needs to follow certain internal and external rules and regulations for their environment.
Please consider this. We want to give our users all the new tools, but please leave us to option of controlling how and when this done. We do not want to revert back to classic UI to avoid this.
Thank you.